Clayside

The club ladder

Club ladders, all year, beside your boxes

Your boxes run the season. Ladders run between them: a rating beside every name, and nothing for you to keep up to date. Your club ladder fills itself from your boxes, and you choose exactly who goes into the others. Run up to eight of them, on any paid plan.

You do not need a box league to run one. Tick ladders on your first screen and the app keeps to it.

Free for 14 days, nothing locked off. A ladder needs a paid plan after that.

Why a ladder as well

The weeks your boxes do not cover

Your box leagues are eight good weeks and then a gap. A ladder keeps the club playing in the gap, and it costs you nothing to run because your players run it.

01

Between seasons

The last box result goes in and the club goes quiet until you build the next season. The ladder does not stop, so neither does the tennis.

02

The members a box does not suit

Shift workers, parents, the ones away half the term. A box asks for five matches by a date. The ladder asks for nothing: play when you can, and your place is still there when you get back.

03

Something to chase

A box tells you where you finished. A ladder tells you where you stand today, against everybody, and who is one good match away.

A challenge ladder

Positional. You wait to be challenged, winners swap places, and every declined challenge lands on somebody's desk to adjudicate.

This one is rated

Every match moves both ratings by what it was worth. Nobody waits to be picked, nobody adjudicates, and a quiet fortnight costs you nothing.

How it works

Play, record, done

The same loop as your boxes, so there is nothing new for your club to learn. Two players agree a match in the group chat, play it, and one of them puts the score in.

The rating moves as you walk off

Whoever gets their phone out first records the score. Both ratings move there and then, by the number that match was actually worth, and the other player is asked to confirm. Until they do, the row is purple and the rating it will settle at is printed underneath, so nobody mistakes a claim for a result.

Nobody confirms? It confirms itself after three days, the same as a box score. There is no queue for you to work through and nobody to chase.

A walkover moves half of what a played match would. A retirement is a real match and moves all of it. You never have to invent a score to make the ladder add up.

It tells your players who to play

Tap Record a match and the whole club is there in ladder order, with you in your own place in it. Everybody within 5 places of you counts for a rating, and a row you cannot pick tells you why. Nobody has to learn a rule, and nobody has to ask you who they are allowed to challenge.

That limit is what stops the top of the ladder collecting easy points off the bottom, and it is what the ladder will arrange and score: somebody further away is not offered. Set it to 0 and the ladder rates every match, however far apart two players are. You can record any pairing yourself, whatever it is set to.

Everyone starts on 1200, and your first 3 matches are placing matches: they move you much further, and while they last you can play anybody at all. A club that has never had a ladder sorts itself out in about a fortnight.

Every player has a page, and it settles arguments

Tap any name for their rating over time, their peak, their whole record and every match they have played. Your players get the thing a spreadsheet never gave them: a season that adds up to something, and a head-to-head against whoever they are about to play.

Nothing here needs signing in to read, and nothing needs maintaining.

The dotted stretch is resting: after 90 days without a match a rating eases back by 15 points a month, never below the 1200 everybody started on. One match stops it, and the owner can turn it off entirely.

Fix one score and every rating fixes itself

No rating is stored anywhere. The ladder is worked out from the match list every time it is read, so it cannot disagree with what was played.

Tennis · Padel · Squash · Badminton · Pickleball · Singles or doubles

Singles or doubles

Two kinds of doubles ladder

Run one beside the club ladder, and choose which. Pairs that stay together: a pair takes one place, holds one rating between them, and either of them can record a match. Or rotating doubles: partners change from match to match, the rating is yours, and both partners move by the same amount. The table below is a ladder of pairs.

Five of these ten players hold a singles rating on the club ladder above as well, and it is a different number. A rating earned as half of a pair is not a rating as a singles player, so the two never mix.

Straight answers

What it does not do

Worth knowing before you set one up, rather than after.

One place each, per ladder

A player holds one place on any one ladder, and a pair is one entry with one rating. Changing who is in a pair means a new entry, because the rating belonged to the partnership.

Nobody is made to play

Suggest times offers your opponent up to six evenings and they tap one. There is no challenge to refuse, no bump-rank, and no penalty for saying no.

An agreed time is not a court

Suggesting times is two people agreeing to play, and nothing is held for you. On the club plans your members book the club's courts on the same app, and it is a separate act.

Not on the free plan

A free One Box club can see the ladder tab and what it would be, but cannot start one. Every paid plan runs eight, and every new league gets the full thing for its first 14 days.

The rating stays at the club

It means nothing at the club down the road. SquashLevels, the World Tennis Number and DUPR own portability, and we do not feed them. If you report there, the spreadsheet export is the bridge: every match, dated and scored.

Questions

Everything else

How is the ladder different from our boxes?

A box is a season and a fixture list: five or six players, everyone plays everyone, and in eight weeks it is over. The ladder has no end. It is one list of everybody in the club with a rating beside each name, and it carries straight on from one season to the next.

You can run both, and most clubs will. The boxes give the club its structure. The ladder gives the players in it something to chase in the weeks in between, and somewhere for a member who cannot commit to a box.

Who ends up on it?

Everybody you put in a box. When a roster is saved, those players join the ladder too, so the club you already typed in is the ladder you already have. They sit under Yet to play until their first match, where they are not ranked and nothing chases them.

The league owner can add anyone else, and take anyone off. Taking somebody off sticks: they are not quietly added back the next time a season is built.

How does somebody who is only on the ladder sign in?

The ladder has its own player link. Post it in the club chat and everybody taps their own name, exactly as a box link works. On a doubles ladder each person taps their own name rather than the pair's.

So a junior or a social member who is on the ladder and in no box enters their own scores like everyone else, instead of the organiser typing them in.

What stops someone putting in a score that never happened?

Their opponent has to confirm it, the same as a box result. Until they do, the row is shaded purple and both ratings show as unsettled. If nobody answers, it confirms itself after three days.

The score counts from the moment it goes in, though. The ladder is never three days behind the tennis, and the purple is there so nobody mistakes an unconfirmed rating for a settled one.

How do the ratings actually work?

Everyone starts on 1200. A win takes points off your opponent and gives them to you, and how many depends on the gap between you: beat somebody well above you and you take a lot, beat somebody below you and you take very little. Lose to somebody below you and it costs.

Your first 3 matches are placing matches. They move you further than later ones, so the ladder finds your level in a fortnight rather than a season, and you can play anybody at all while they last.

Nobody has to understand any of that to use it. Win, go up. Lose, go down. Beat somebody good, go up a lot.

How does it compare with a challenge ladder, or the LTA’s tool?

A challenge ladder is positional: you call out somebody a few places above you and, if you win, you take their place. Clayside's is rated instead, so every match moves both players by an amount that depends on who they were playing, and nobody has to be challenged to move.

The LTA's Box League Manager runs boxes in rounds with promotion and relegation between them, which is a different shape again: it has no continuous rated ladder, and its results count towards the World Tennis Number, which ours do not.

Does it reset every year?

Not unless you ask it to, and we would rather you did not. A rating is worth defending once it has had time to mean something, so by default seasons come and go around the ladder and archiving one leaves it exactly as it was.

If your club does want a fresh start every year, you can set that and choose what it does. Keeping every rating starts the table again and leaves everybody's level alone. Putting every rating back to the start means everyone plays their placing matches again, which is the honest description of throwing a year away. Nothing is deleted either way: turn it off and the whole thing comes back, because no rating is stored anywhere in the first place.

Can we run doubles on the ladder?

Yes, and there are two kinds. A doubles ladder holds pairs: a pair takes one place on the table and has one rating between them, and either of them can record a match or confirm one. The pair stays together, so changing who is in it means taking that pair off and adding the new one, and nobody can be in two pairs on the same ladder.

A rotating doubles ladder holds people. Partners change from match to match and the rating is yours: a match names four players, each side plays as the average of its two ratings, and both of you move by the same amount. Win with a weaker partner and it moves you further. That is the ladder most padel clubs mean, and it is the one on the padel demo.

Everybody the club puts in a box joins your club-wide ladder automatically, and that ladder can be singles or rotating doubles. A ladder of pairs is never filled that way, because nothing can guess who plays with whom.

Can we run more than one ladder?

Yes. Eight of them, on every paid plan. A club-wide one, a doubles one, one for the ladies' section, one for the juniors: whatever your club actually has, named whatever your club calls it.

They sit behind a row of buttons at the top of the ladder screen, and pressing Ladder opens the first one. Each has its own sport, its own scoring, its own players and its own ratings. Archiving one keeps everything that happened on it and frees the space for another.

Which sports does it work for?

Tennis, padel, squash, badminton and pickleball, scored by their own rules, exactly as a box is. You pick the sport and the format when you start the ladder.

The sport is fixed after that: a squash ladder and a tennis ladder are two ladders, and you can run several. The scoring is not. Change it whenever the club wants, because every match records the format it was played under.

Does the rating count anywhere outside the club?

No. It is the club's own number, earned on your club's ladder, and it means nothing anywhere else. SquashLevels, the World Tennis Number and DUPR own that job, and we do not feed them.

If your club reports results to one of those, the spreadsheet export gives you every match with dates and scores to work from.

Something went in wrong. Can we fix it?

The league owner can clear any score, and can record a match for any two players. Clearing one works every rating out again from scratch, so a wrong score fixed today leaves no mark on the ratings from last month.

That is worth knowing about the whole design: no rating is stored anywhere. The ladder is worked out from the list of matches every time it is read, which is why fixing the list fixes everything.

What does it cost?

The ladder is part of every paid plan. The cheapest is £120 a year, and there is nothing extra to buy and no per-player charge.

Every new league starts on our top plan with nothing locked off for 14 days, so you can put a ladder up and see it working before you decide anything. A free One Box club still sees the ladder tab, and pressing it says what it would cost.

Putting it to a committee? The case for your committee is one page you can print or forward: what it costs, what it replaces, what happens to your members’ data and what happens if you stop paying.

Have a look

Put a ladder up and see who bites

Type your club’s name and where to email you. You get 14 days on our top plan with nothing locked off, boxes and ladder both, and no card at any point.